Showing posts with label cygnar. Show all posts
Showing posts with label cygnar. Show all posts

Monday, 12 January 2015

The Price of Being (playing) Batman!


Recently I have seen a few people mention the price of the Batman minis from Knight Models and say that the Batman Minis game is too expensive.
To be honest, I thought the same when I looked at it to begin with. I thought £12 a model was a bit steep. Until I looked into it further anyway.

The things to remember with this range is that is 35mm instead of the usual 28-30mm. The models are high detailed metal instead of sprue plastic and it's a licensed product. Licensed items always cost a little more anyway.

With this in mind I thought it may be a good idea to do a price comparison with Batman vs 3 of the top games on the market. X-Wing, Warmachine and Warhammer 40K.
I know all of these games are quite different. The game size, model scale, material used and such but as they are the most popular games our there is shows people are willing to pay the prices to play them.

This sort of thing can be a bit of a minefield though. Each game has several different forces, model sizes, army builds and more. You can do elites or swarms and this all varies the price to play.
For this article I'm going to pick the most popular force in each game, pick a starter force and expand it to a standard sized game.
I will also take into account any rulebooks, specialised templates and dice you may need to get started.
There are several expansions and optional extras out there but this is just what's needed. Tokens, scenery and tape measures are something most people will have already as well.

As it's comparing Batman to other games, I'm going to make two Batman forces. One of just characters and one swarm of thugs with a big character added. This should show the cheapest and most expensive options.

Prices will ALL be taken from Wayland Games as they are a large well known retailer that stocks all ranges. To make things a little easier, prices are rounded to the closest £.


First up is the Bat Family. A starter game for Batman is around 200 Rep and a standard is 350 Rep.
I know there is the new rulebook soon, but there is still a free download rules set so I count it as an optional extra.

Rulebook - Free download
Tokens / Templates - In Rulebook
Batman (Arkham) - 130 Rep - £12
Robin (Arkham) - 68 Rep - £12

Starter game - 198 Rep - Total £24

Batwoman - 95 Rep - £12
Robin (Damien Wayne) - 50 Rep

Standard Game - 342 Rep - Total £48


The other end of the scale for Batman would be a Joker Swarm with a big model for muscle.

Rulebook - Free
Templates / Token - In rulebook
Joker Starter (Joker + 3 Clowns) - 158 Rep - £25
Clowns pack 2 - 41 Rep - £12

Starter game - 199 Rep - Total £37

Clowns pack 1 - 51 Rep - £12
Killer Croc - 95 Rep - £16

Standard game - 345 Rep - Total £65



X-Wing is probably to closest of the top 3 to Batman. It's a small model count licensed game.
For this I'm going for a Rebel force. Starter size of around 40 points and standard size of 100 points.

Starter Set - £24
Rulebook, Tokens, Templates - In Starter
X-Wing - 21 pts - In Starter
X-Wing - 21 pts - £11

Starter Game - 42 pts - Total £35

Millennium Falcon - 27 pts - £23
B-Wing - 22 pts - £11

Standard game - 91 pts - Total £69



The next game up is Warmachine. A normal starter set game is around 11 points and a standard sized game is 35 points. For this list I'm going for the boys in blue, Cygnar.

Rulebook - £18
Templates - £16
Cygnar Starter set - 11 pts - £32
(Stryker, Ironclad, Lancer, Charger)

Starter game - 11 pts - Total £56

Hammersmith - 8 pts - £23
Hunter - 6 pts - £9
Trenchers x 10 - 10 pts - £33

Standard game - 35 pts - £121



For the final game, its the most popular tabletop game in the world. Warhammer 40K. Again, it's the boys in blue, the Ultramarines. Or just standard Marines.
For a starter game I'm going for the basic 1 HQ and 2 Troops at 400 points. For a standard game, the smallest you will probably find is about 1000 points.

Rulebook - £42
SM Codex - £30
Templates - £8
SM Captain - 100 pts - £15
Tactical Squad 10x2 - 300 pts - £40

Starter game - 400 pts - £135

Terminators x5 - 200 pts - £22
Land Raider - 250 pts - £36
Devastators x5 - 150 pts - £16

Standard game - 1000 pts - £209


OK, that was a lot of numbers. Again, all prices come from Wayland Games. I'm sure they could be found cheaper or more expensive on other site or in stores.
Like I have said, I know these are all different games with different scales, sizes, materials and army builds but I have just gone for a very general force for each. The sort of thing a new player would walk into a store and buy. This gives an average cost on startng and playing each of these top / most popular games.

As a quick recap -
Batman - £24 / £48
Joker - £37 / £65
X-Wing - £35 / £69
Warmachine - £56 / £121
WK 40K - £135 / £209

This puts the price of playing Batman vs -
X-wing - About the same.
Warmachine - Just over half
WH 40K - Around a quarter

We all know that our hobby isn't one of the cheapest out there, but if you are looking at Batman, it's probably going to cost the same or less than other games you play.
As with any game though, it doesn't stop after the first few models does it?

Well, that's about it really. The numbers are there and I can't argue with them. I wont say one game is better than another either. It's all down to personal taste.

Did this work out how you expected?
Were you surprised or shocked by any of it?
Let us know below.

EDIT - Some people have asked why I haven't compared Batman to Pulp City, Infinity and Mailfaux.
The new edition of Pulp City doesnt come out until next month and I have no idea what the prices will be yet.
As for Infinity and Malifux, I would love to add them here but at the moment I just don't know enough about the games to make informed lists and comparisons.

- Hendybadger

Saturday, 15 December 2012

LOADS of New Hordes and Warmachine Previews


I thought I would share a few of the recent previews for Warmachine and Hordes from Privateer Press.

I REALLY want Pigs and Gators now!
But the Archangel, WOW!














Sunday, 3 June 2012

Warmachine and Hordes Artwork from Lock & Load Panel






More info from the amazing Lost Hemisphere again.
Above - Madeka 3
All shots from thier video below.


 Skorne Gargantuan
 New Grey Lord?
 Zombie Bog Trogs
 Gun Mage Cavalry
 Iron Fang Axeman?
 Lylyth3- Battle Engine Warlock?
 Retribution unit led by Eiyrss 3
 Circle Gargantuan
 Tharn Archers
 Bog Trog Warlock

Hendybadger awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!



Saturday, 2 June 2012

EVEN MORE WarmaHordes Info from Lock & Load






The 3rd batch of info from the Lock & Load convention by Privateer Press.
Pics and info from Lost Hemisphere (who have LOADS of pics, go check them out) and the Guts N Gears Podcast
Click pics to view larger

Above - Cover of Hordes: Gargantuans

Skorne Gargantuan


  • New Bog Trog warlock incoming, named Rask
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  • Bonegrinder Farrow Warlock is named Midas
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  • “Swamp Shamblers” – Bog Trog zombies
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  • Lylyth3 will be an Epic Cavalry Battle Engine Warlock on a 120mm base – an Ulk-drawn bladed sleigh
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  • The Hunters Grim – Warlock Unit, Grim Angus w/ 2 pygs
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  • Makeda3 will be a warlock unit, Makeda with two Exalted Guardians
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  • New Retribution unit will be infantry with ‘razorblades’; Eiryss3 will be their UA
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  • Greylord Outriders – Khadoran light cavalry
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  • Iron Fang Kovnik armed with an axe – precursor to an IF unit with axes?
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  • Tempest Blazers – Gunmage light cavalry
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  • Bane Riders – Bane Knight heavy cavalry
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  • Intimated that there were light cavalry on the way for Protectorate and Mercenaries
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  • Plastic Tharn kit – large bows made of stag horns, likely same kit will be used to make plastic Ravagers
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  • Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release
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  • All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012
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  • Skorne Mammoth = ENORMOUS Titan
  • LEVEL 7
  • Tile exploration board game
  • 5-6 minute short film coming out next week
  • Level 7 demos will be run during Lock & Load

Hendybadger awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Friday, 9 March 2012

Epic Epic Colossal Previews for Cygnar and Minions Monster!


I know I haven't been covering WarmaHordes that much recently but in the last few days PP have shown some amazing things!
Take the about pic for example (click to view larger) Even though its my personal arch enemies, Cygnar, its still AWESOME!

 Perhaps Nemo’s greatest creation, the Stormwall towers over Cygnar’s enemies with all the majesty and menace of a looming cloudburst. From the thunder of its guns to the blinding cracks of arcing electricity from its lightning pods, the Stormwall is the mechanikal embodiment of the tempest. Powered by both steam and surging voltaic energy, it riddles the enemy lines with cannon shells and hails of bullets before smashing survivors with its electrified fists.

The first of the Colossals. Cygnars Stormwall. You can see the full 360 >>HERE<<.
Even though I used this pic at the top, it needs to be shown again so you can see the Colossal size of it next to Ol Rowdy and let it sink in.
 
This makes me even more excited about the Mercs Galleon Colossal.

Cygnar also had another first previewed this week. The first Epic Epic, 3, Legendary, whatever you want to call him. Artificer General Nemo!


Sebastian Nemo’s myriad innovations—from the storm chamber to the modern colossal—have given Cygnar a crucial technological edge over its enemies. Promoted to the rank of Artificer General, Nemo now holds authority over all Cygnar’s military industry, and he wields his nation’s most advanced weaponry. Nemo’s assistant, Storm Chaser Adept Caitlin Finch, takes to the battlefield at his side, utilizing precisely tuned mechanikal apparatus to augment Nemo’s command over warjacks to unparalleled mastery.

Its not just Nemo this time though, He has a new Character Solo Storm Chaser with him. Both look amazing.
You can see another beautiful 360 rotation >>HERE<<

To finish off this post, something pleasing for all Farrow / Thornfall players. The ROAD HOG!!!!!!

The mighty road hogs hurl themselves into the fray with supercharged fury, unleashing gouts of flame and mechanikally enhanced brutality upon enemies of the farrow. Their lower limbs replaced by prosthetic legs, they are capable of surprising swiftness at the cost of agonizing pain to the beasts themselves—a small price to pay for the brutal carnage the road hogs can inflict upon their foes.

Not much I can say about the Road Hog that the mini doesn't say already. Just stunning! Even better than the original artwork. 360 time >>HERE<< 

Which of the 3 do you like the most?
And what are you looking forward to from PP in the near future?


Hendybadger out

Friday, 3 February 2012

Warmachine COLOSSAL WARJACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An amazing 'out of the blue' announcement from Privateer Press.
WARMACHINE COLOSSAL WARJACKS!!!!!!!!!!

That's not something I expected at all. You can see the video for them >>HERE<< or below..
Scroll down for the amazing pics. For ALL Factions including MERCS!!!!



"Expansion Introduces Huge-based Warjacks
BELLEVUE, WA, February 3, 2012 – Privateer Press is pleased to announce the next expansion book for its award-winning WARMACHINE tabletop miniatures game, WARMACHINE: Colossals, which will release worldwide July 2012.

The new book introduces colossals to the tabletop—finely detailed super-heavy warjacks on 120 mm bases. When asked about these unprecedented new models, Privateer Press Director of Business Development William Shick said, WARMACHINE: Colossalsembody the next big step for WARMACHINE and Privateer Press. Colossals are the culmination of everything we’ve learned over the last ten years of making miniatures and represent a new pinnacle of WARMACHINE models. Not only are these models loaded with stunning detail, they tower over other models on the tabletop. What’s more, they open up a whole new range of tactics and strategies for WARMACHINE players, making for an even more exciting tabletop experience.”

In addition to one of these all-new colossals for every faction, WARMACHINE: Colossals features new warcasters representing the third incarnations of some of the Iron Kingdoms’ most iconic characters, plus fully compiled and updated Unbound rules, providing enhanced gameplay opportunities for large-scale games of 150 points or more.

For more information about WARMACHINE: Colossals, including a product announcement video, visit www.privateerpress.com/warmachine."














WOW!
They look amazing!
Can wait for Galleon.

What do you think?

Hendybadger out
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